Fenn’s Treasure

No one helps anybody else find treasure. And no one should think that someone who hides treasure and sets up a riddle to find it is going to make it easy. . .

There are those who think Forrest Fenn’s Treasure is a hoax. Others have sought it by relying on a single clue rather than 9 clues that are supposed to be in his poem/riddle. A couple have died looking for it.

As your friendly neighborhood Q, you know I must have heard early on of Fenn’s Treasure. Treasure hunting is one of the ultimate and most enjoyable quests. It’s a mystery to solve with a great benefit at the end. No serials, no tragedies (hopefully), no wading through old records. . .  What adrenaline junkie Forrest Fenn did was give everyone who likes the “thrill of the chase” a great quest to embark upon. It’s cerebral, athletic, adventurous . . .and dangerous. Yet no one truly helps someone else find over a million in gold, coins, jewels, and artifacts. His poem is not easy.

Missing Treasure Hunter

But if Fenn is sincere, the storied treasures lies someone in the Rocky Mountains in a heavy bronze box waiting to be picked up. For so the poem with its riddles says. If one finds the right spot they can merely look down and see the chest and pick it up.

Let’s adopt a helpful attitude here rather than the negative hoax theory. Those who say it is a hoax note that the poem carries no reference to what time of year is best to look for the treasure. The Rockies are subject to heavy snowfall, melt off, rain, mud slides, etc.

Well, I would assume late spring to summer would be the best time anyway to go look. But if the object of the quest is truly there to be found, as implied in the poem, we can deduce a few things:

The treasure trove is placed in a location where weather is not a factor. It is outside supposedly; so the area is not subject to heavy snows, rain, mudslides, etc. In the Rockies that limits the area. It is above 5,000 feet he said. But then everything in the Rockies is. It is below 14,000 feet. He was too old to go that high. He was, in fact, 79 when he hid his treasure.

Everybody takes his age as the first undeclared clue. How far can an old man get with that kind of weight? Fenn has implied that his age is relevant.

The “blaze”? Some think it a cave or an abandoned mine; but if a cave then spelunkers would have found it by accident by now. After all, it was hid in 2010.

Others have noted that “home of Brown” is obviously one of the most significant clues. And it seems others have weedled more info out of the aging Fenn. He said you know where the home of Brown is and you can walk right to the treasure.  Others have complicated things by weedling more out of him. He has supposedly said that he took 2 trips from his car in one day to hide his heavy treasure. So, you can actually drive near enough to the location. . . but only if you know where lies the “home of Brown” apparently. Otherwise you have to start where he said: “where warm waters halt.” They are halted or they halt something?


It isn’t easy to find it, and of course it is not meant to be easy. Context tells us that. Fenn has told everybody the location– the American Rocky Mountains. Some have spent the better part of their life looking for the fabled Lost Dutchman in the much more confined area of the Superstition Mountains.  Others have ardently sought Montezuma’s Gold in a smaller area of the Southwest. A small bronze box with 1 million in treasure in the Rockies? It’s not likely to be easy.

The treasure is growing in value, and it is lovely to behold from the pictures of the contents of the old medieval bronze chest. The chest itself must be worth something. It still awaits, and it still beckons those who seek “easy” and fabulous wealth. For those online, it is purely for the “thrill of the chase.”

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Since 1990 Gian J. Quasar has investigated a broad range of mysterious subjects, from strange disappearances to serial murders, earning in that time the unique distinction of being likened to “the real life Kolchak.” However, he is much more at home with being called The Quester or Q Man. “He’s bloody eccentric, an historian with no qualifications who sticks his nose into affairs and gets results.” He is the author of several books, one of which inspired a Resolution in Congress.


UFOs and Federal Research: Why it is Needed and Why Folklore Tells us Little

Folklore has come to dominate every popular mystery. Whether this topic is Bigfoot, disappearing people, or, in this case, flying saucers, any topic that becomes popular is subject to hype and hyperbole. Discourse takes the place of research. Narrative becomes its own real life comic strip and toxic fandom comes to control the subject.

This is true of UFOs more than anything. The discourse came to be controlled by pure folklore and then religious claims of contact with higher, wiser beings. Claims from the occult crowd began immediately. Instead of channeling 3000 year old dead Egyptian priestesses, the occult crowd now channeled little men from Mars. Lord Cromarty declared in Lords that he has no doubt that aliens talk to people. He is just amazed they only pick “kooks.”

The Pentagon has admitted that they had been studying flying saucers again since 2007 and even released pilot statements about encountering them. This has unleashed the world of discourse, and sadly some of it is so misinformed it is only cropping popular impression the true phenomenon yet again.

Research and true investigation, on the other hand, has revealed a strange pattern to flying discs in the sky. It has NEVER gone beyond that, but enough observations of them did reveal a pattern.

The world was overwhelmed with reports back in 1947 when the first great flap occurred. One of the earliest qualified witnesses was NASA scientist Roy Hill. Fortunately, he took up a lifelong interest and remained very sober in his analysis.  His sighting and then interpretation is underscored by others in released Air Force ATIC reports from the early period when the Pentagon was quite forthright about encounters.

It was July 1952 when Roy Hill and a friend saw two saucers come in from the Atlantic near Norfolk, Virginia. They commenced what he described to Blue Book as a strange jitter. Then they commenced to horizontally revolve around a central; point at quick speed– about a second each revolution. Then they instantly switched and made the same maneuver vertically. Soon other saucers arrived and then the group proceeded West overland along the 37th Parallel. He deduced this orbiting maneuver was a “rendezvous” signal.

This same maneuvering, sometimes referred to as “dogfighting” in other ATIC reports, was also witnessed by members of Hamilton AFB in California. More glowing discs joined those “dogfighting” and the group headed over the Pacific in a diamond shape formation. Again, this same jitter was reported over West Virginia on another evening. But the two saucers engaged in it were never joined by others and they proceeded inland on their own.

Add to this the famous report of the airliner pilots (Fortenberry & Nash) in flight near Norfolk, also in July 1952, that momentous July in Ufology. At sunset the pilots saw an echelon formation of saucers coming in to the coast from the Atlantic. The first disc waffled and made a turn. The two behind it almost overtook it and then turned and the others following remained in formation. They proceeded overland along the 37th Parallel.

In that momentous July an Air Force pilot opened fire on one. It zoomed away and behind closed doors his base commander was ready to court martial him. Captain Ruppelt broke the story in his own book The Report on the UFOS in 1956. Soon after the shooting incident a UFO kept playing cat and mouse with an Air Force jet over Michigan. There were those in the Pentagon who were certain this incident clinched it: flying saucers were from outer space and under intelligent control.

Why? It had nothing to do with the clarity of the sightings or even with the physical fact there had been radar lock-ons on these objects.  It was most likely the pattern. Not just the “rendezvous” signal. They followed far more than an intelligent, though insect-like, way of communicating with each other. There was another pattern.

After the encounter with shooting at the saucer, no more large formations were sighted over land during the day accept at very high altitude. Then these stopped as well. Saucers came into the coast around sunset, almost always from the Atlantic, and then regrouped after the rendezvous signal, and proceeded inland. Hours later at dawn they regrouped again on the Pacific coast or at the Gulf coast and headed back to sea.

Moreover, the saucer over Michigan seemed to be detecting radar lock-on, and  it equated this with gun range. Each time there was lock-on, it zoomed further out of range. It seemed to be provoking the jet to fire, so it could verify its range. This is a disturbing chain of events, and it follows a logical pattern.

The pilots’ encounter off Norfolk in July 1952 also suggested the saucers cannot communicate with each other but had to use maneuvers. Those in echelon behind the leader did not see the turn coming. There have been a number of reports of saucers flying in what suggested the lead saucer took the others by surprise by a sudden maneuver.

There was also the “stacked coin position,” in which the saucers appeared to attach to the others in the squadron, possibly for hull-to-hull communication.

There is much more to the pattern of sightings– how they followed civilian and military aircraft in the early days. The goals seems obvious– it is the only logistic way to find all of our airports.

The pattern of saucer sightings was such that military men could predict their arrival. Captain Ruppelt wrote how one colonel at the Pentagon had been pounding his hand on his desk predicting the arrival of more saucers off New England or Washington DC before it did happen with the famous Washington DC flap in July 1952.

The various patterns easily suggested logical interpretation. It not only suggested the saucers were under control, it suggested flight pattern and basic reconnoitering tactics. The most obvious pattern: after being shot at they confined themselves to roaming over land only at night or during the day only at extreme altitude.

There is so much more, but it NEVER went beyond sightings. The pattern that can be detected is truly frightening, but the phenomenon remains to this day one of a disc- shape craft and their patterns.

The real saucers are only lentils, on the oblong side. There are different sizes: 100 feet, 60 feet, and perhaps a 20 to 30 foot size. There are some very small “probes” at about 2 feet. The probes were first reported at White Sand Missile Testing site. They followed a rocket launch. Theodolite tracked a saucer 105 foot in diameter.

The 105 foot saucer as estimated at White Sands in 1949.


The early reports are the most sober. They come over a period of years, from military personnel, pilots, and some scientists. Analysis reveals alarming consistency.

True, slowly but surely the grandstanding occult got involved. Mysticism, séances, hypnosis revealed all sorts of weird contact with incubus and gave us other tall tales that mirror ancient folklore and myth. This is the human reaction. It is not the stimulus. This was the popular real life comic strip. Any analysis of this is NOT an analysis of UFOs. It is an analysis of the human phenomenon is response. It cannot shed any light on the tangible data that has been uncovered. Nor give us any insight into the disturbing pattern these discs in the sky and in the oceans have followed.

Long before the hype and hyperbole, explorer Nicolas Roerich reported this encounter in Altai Himalaya (1929, Skotes Publishing). The incident had occurred in 1926.

On August 5th— something remarkable! We were in our camp in the Kukunor district not far from the Humbolt Chain. In the morning about half-past nine some of our caravaneers noticed a remarkably big black eagle flying above us. Seven of us began to watch this unusual bird. At this same moment another of our caravaneers remarked “There is something far above the bird.” And he shouted in his astonishment. We all saw, in a direction from north to south, something big and shiny reflecting the sun, like a huge oval moving at great speed. Crossing our camp this thing changed in its direction from south to southwest. And we saw how it disappeared in the intense blue sky. We even had time to take our field glasses and saw quite distinctly an oval form with shiny surface, one side of which was brilliant with the sun.

— Not that dissimilar to what White Sands reported of their high flying saucer in 1949.

A scientific pursuit must come forward to examine this data, form an hypothesis and then test it. This is not in the realm of psychology. It is in the realm of physics, aerodynamics, and cold hard investigating and analysis.

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Since 1990 Gian J. Quasar has investigated a broad range of mysterious subjects, from strange disappearances to serial murders, earning in that time the unique distinction of being likened to “the real life Kolchak.” However, he is much more at home with being called The Quester or Q Man. “He’s bloody eccentric, an historian with no qualifications who sticks his nose into affairs and gets results.” He is the author of several books, one of which inspired a Resolution in Congress.

True Futurism

People are not cattle. They cannot be driven. They must be led. You explain to them why it is better to go where you are going and they will follow. This is true power. Few have ever had it.

Alexander the Great brought in the world of Hellenism. The old world was dying for something new, and Greek attitudes were a welcome change. The US government had little to do with winning the West, but there was open land that mankind had not seen the like of since the beginning in Sumeria. These are only examples.

On the whole this old world is tired of the same old thing. But the planet does not give us a new undiscovered continent. China rolls in fabulous wealth again like in the days of old Cathay. But they do not have the technological background of America; and sadly America, like much of the West, wallows in its self indulgence and garners inspiration from things which entertain it– often obsolete SCI-FI.

The future is not space but what lies beyond it– just as the future for the old world was not the oceans but the land that lay beyond it. Entertainment driven “futurism,” about as coherent as late night liquid logic, touts the glories of Mars as our first step. The shortsightedness in this is staggering. Mars is a dead planet, like our moon, and is good only for mining or like Antarctica a place for a scientific station to sit around and waste money.

True futurism is based on knowledge and the vision which empowers that knowledge to take the logical and efficient steps.

1, We now are on the threshold of quantum longevity, the knowledge and ability to extend lifespans to hundreds of years until they reach the biblical spans recorded for the Patriarchs.

2, Alcubierre’s warp drive is now proven. We can control space and time. We now have the means to reach other planets in other solar systems in the same amount of time as pioneers crossed the Atlantic or Pacific 400 years ago.

Both of the above help in terra forming a planet if it is not already suitable and, indeed, help us to determine suitability.

Basic problems to overcome–

1, The perfection of the warp drive with a craft within it.

2, Artificial gravity in space flight if it is not a byproduct of the warp bubble.

While all other steps are being made to physically get mankind to other planets, the perfection of a craft within the warp drive is number 1. When that is accomplished, probes can be sent out to the other solar systems for  searching for a suitable planet and for photographing. Other probes must be sent out to monitor space in between what will become major Spaceways. The warp drive does not create another dimension and therefore collisions can occur with space debris. In essence, probes must be used like iceberg patrols in the days of the North Atlantic crossings.

When a suitable planet is discovered within the habitable zone of a star (and preferably with slightly greater gravity or a water vapor canopy), probes can be used to monitor the planet’s revolution around its sun in order to detect any weather variables that could be dangerous. If the planet needs terra forming, then probes can carry the necessary bacteria to the surface to commence soil fertility and still later carry seed to the surface.

What I have laid out only in outline above ARE the small steps. We are still crawling when doing this. Compared to some basic rocket trip to Mars, what I have outlined seems megalomaniacal, but it isn’t. It is within our grasp. It also is logical. When Europe burgeoned with people and the new world beckoned no one planned massive trips to Antarctica. It is a dead continent, and in like manner Mars is a dead planet of little interest in true futurism.

After the small steps above, the great problems will come with transport of people and animals. At the same time the charting of Spaceways to other planets will be ongoing and the selection of valuable mining operations on dead planets.

Naturally at this same time we have to be in a position to build great spaceships in space, which means mining operations off the moon and facilities thereon for construction in the weightlessness of the moon’s lesser gravity.

But we must face terra forming this planet. Longevity will clearly be affected on other planets; for those most ideal noticeably so. It will be especially apparent in those children sired in the new conditions, born and raised past puberty.

In future posts we can touch on that here. What I wish to make clear here is that all these steps above are baby steps. To colonize other planets based on popular knowledge about what is ideal on Earth or prophesied in live action cartoons is anti-science. Rather it must be based on the collective knowledge of several fields of learning that have given us the ideals of which we are capable of creating.

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Since 1990 Gian J. Quasar has investigated a broad range of mysterious subjects, from strange disappearances to serial murders, earning in that time the unique distinction of being likened to “the real life Kolchak.” However, he is much more at home with being called The Quester or Q Man. “He’s bloody eccentric, an historian with no qualifications who sticks his nose into affairs and gets results.” He is the author of several books, one of which inspired a Resolution in Congress.

The ZODIAC Begins 49 Years Ago

Come tonight 49 years ago in subfreezing temperatures of 22 degrees, the ‘Zodiac’ Killer began his crime spree. His victims were two cooing teens– David Faraday (17) and Betty Lou Jensen (16). For about 6 months he was silent. He took no credit. Solano County sheriffs had to come to the conclusion that a “murderous maniac” had been responsible.  Then along with his second victims he took credit and bragged about it in the press.


Some things didn’t fit– for instance, the signs that the “maniac” was actually very calm. Betty Lou had 5 bullet holes in her back, in a “remarkable grouping.” This was amazing considering the murder must have taken place around 11:15 p.m. in a very dark area like the turnout (petting spot) on Lake Herman Road.

A small game pistol had been used– a .22 caliber J.C. Higgins Model 80. No real witnesses, not to the presence of the killer. Only a fleeting glimpse to his car parked next to the victims’ car in the cold turnout. The freezing temperatures hardened the gravel turnout to such an extent no footprints or even tire tracks were left. The killer might well have been a ghost.

Sheriff’s car parked in the turnout the next day.


This unfathomable rural murder would become the first known killing by the man who would later proclaim himself The ZODIAC. More would perish over the next year– in other rural spots and in the metropolitan beauty of San Francisco– and the villain would build himself up into comic book grandeur. But this killing more than the others reveals ZODIAC’s gruel, bloodless soul.

The boy tried to defend his date and got a bullet in his brain pointblank. Betty Lou ran away in her bright purple miniskirt and received bullet after bullet in her right upper back over the 30 feet she was able to run before she collapsed. The killer drove off after emptying 10 rounds from his small game pistol into them and their car.

In 2012 I began my active investigation. Naturally, this was the first crime scene I visited. It remains largely intact, though it has shrunk considerably and I don’t think  local teens use it as a petting spot. There is usually a Zodiac symbol graffiti’d somewhere.  Most prominently it was on the “no trespassing” sign on the farmer’s property beyond the turnout.


The turnout in June 2017

I’ve visited the site several times, most recently in June 2017. The sign has been switched out. For now there is no Zodiac emblem painted anywhere. . .but it won’t be long. This insignificant turnout on a busy backroad on the fringes of the Bay Area should not be forgotten. A serial makes his mistakes in the beginning. The crime here may still hold a significant clue.

In the distance looms through the haze the mountain that ZODIAC would come to use to play his poison pen pal game– Mount Diablo. He knew the area well enough and he came fully prepared to kill.  . . .but not to brag about it.

There is much that says the ZODIAC was just beginning here, but the cold execution of his crime inspires some to believe he had killed before. But insofar as being definitely linked to the ZODIAC, it all began here on Lake Herman Road late night December 20, 1968.

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Since 1990 Gian J. Quasar has investigated a broad range of mysterious subjects, from strange disappearances to serial murders, earning in that time the unique distinction of being likened to “the real life Kolchak.” However, he is much more at home with being called The Quester or Q Man. “He’s bloody eccentric, an historian with no qualifications who sticks his nose into affairs and gets results.” He is the author of several books, one of which inspired a Resolution in Congress.


I shudder when I hear the term “science-based.” It is used only by those who don’t known what science is. It is merely a method– Observe, Classify, Infer, Interpret, Measure, Predict, Questions, Hypotheses, Experiment, Model Building– and it is a method seldom taught. These 10 Process Skills of Scientific Inquiry are the much vaunted Scientific Method. You can’t use it unless you are looking for something. They are “process” skills, and the very word “process” means you have to be going somewhere with it.

I remember some website where a member of one of the “sciences” touted that they were collating data according to their model, and he called that the definition of “science.” That is actually an Hypothesis, and no hypothesis is science. It is a step within the skills toward the ultimate and undeniable fact. It is also towards the last. After you form your hypothesis, you then start to what? Prove it. Which means Experiment and Model Building (reproducing the effect). Anybody who starts with an hypothesis based upon a presumption is going to end up with Anti-Science, Anti-Theory, and Anti-Knowledge.

What are called the “Sciences” are merely houses of knowledge— biology, geology, cosmology, for examples. But these are houses that contain only facts and the accumulation of discoveries based on working these facts together. Science is the method by which these facts are sewn together to create greater houses of knowledge through discovery. Starting at Hypothesis is creating the house first and then trying to make the facts fit. It is to create a false house of knowledge, which will only skew all studies based upon it– thus it becomes Anti-Knowledge.

All things, all steps, begin at Observe. The brain immediately must Classify. Then it will Infer. These steps cannot be broken. They are the process of Logic. These 3 steps are also called the Rules of Circumstantial Evidence in Law. Everything ultimately can only be put together by Logic, and Logic can only be used by Intelligence.

All Progress, all Learning, all Discovery is based on three distinct requirements.


If a man in Montana says he will keep heading north until he hits Texas, you know there is a problem. You know there is a problem because of knowledge. You KNOW where Texas is. Without that knowledge you cannot even assess the statement. You have the Intelligence to know that north from Montana is not the best way to go to get to Texas. You know his statement is not Logical because Logic is merely a criterion– the conclusions we make must be supported by the reasons we give; the actions we take must be in response to our motives.

Gerd Gigerenzer, of the Max Planck Institute, described what is the intuitive component which is the prerequisite of intelligence. It is not knowing what is important to an equation. It is knowing what is NOT important to the equation and therefore what can be discarded. This is true, and without lots of knowledge, intelligence, a processing ability, is little used.

Thus we see the 3 steps above condense as follows:

Knowledge is the SUM
Intelligence is the QUOTIENT
Logic is the CRITERION

We can understand why Einstein said “Science is merely the refinement of everyday thinking.”

In British education, there used to be quite a complex process to test you for your processing abilities. In 6th Form you had to take a level of calculus if you wanted to take Philosophy at a major university. This was necessary because Logic is a deductive process, with one goal: the truth. Philosophy is the Science of Thought, the study of things undiscovered through thinking out the potential that may therein exist in things already discovered and known. True philosophy is always deductive. Observe, Classify, Infer, Interpret. Most of Science is philosophy. It is only toward the end that one must now entrench oneself into the realm of proving it– experiment and reproduce the effects.

If one has taken great care and trained their mind to think clearly, to have gained the level of knowledge where you intuitively know what is not relevant to any pursuit, you still lack one thing: a goal. Without a goal there can be no Science. You have to be looking for something.

Thus we can see why Scientific Method and Investigative Method are the same thing. A “Scientist” and an “Investigator” look for different things, but they use the same method. A Scientist is looking to Discover whereas an Investigator is looking to Reveal the truth of what already is. A Scientists puts together many facts to Create. A police detective is looking for a serial killer. He is not trying to create one. A scientists uses the current knowledge to find more knowledge and then how to use it to discover more and to create new houses of knowledge.  Newton said: “I stand on the shoulder of giants.” Knowledge builds upon knowledge.

My hobby is well known. I have spent 27 years investigating the popular and sometimes not-so-popular mysteries of this world. My purpose: to reveal the truth. It was not to create. Some topics seem very respectable. Some have squarely washed into the realm of tabloid rubbish. The most obvious is: flying saucers. I dislike any connection with the topic. But I have a tough hide. So let’s talk a little bit about it. There is much to reveal here, and the truth has been clouded by popular folklore, not by government conspiracies.

With the recent admission by the Pentagon that they have been studying UFOs again, we have seen the failure of 50 years of supposed “Science-based” investigation and poorly conducted investigations by most independent “Investigators.” Many of them never showed that intuitive ability to know what is unimportant to the issue. So called Investigators were more or less folklorists who compiled a market of contradictory rubbish and conspiracy theories to explain their lack of proof. Dr. Donald Menzel was a high level physicist who reached into the House of Physics merely to try and explain UFOs away, often very poorly. He had no goal of discovery. His goal was to maintain the status quo.

Yet 70 years of interest in the topic has not solved the issue. It has only become more clouded. The recent account by Navy pilots in the Pacific has only re-enforced the same vignettes told from 70 years ago. The real saucer is oblong and can come and go from the ocean with great speed. Nothing has changed in 70 years. Nothing has progressed.

Although the carnival has captured the spotlight for at least the last 50 years, the rational investigator has added much data. The true scientist has done the same. The investigator must remove all that is unimportant from the equation now to reveal what really is the phenomenon, and from there the scientist must use it and add it to the house of true knowledge.

In popular parlance: those damn things are out there and we have to figure out what they are and what their purpose is. In future posts we will reveal some of the repeating facts in the phenomenon. We will Observe, Classify, and Infer.  Then we must go where all the disagreements begin: we must Interpret.

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Since 1990 Gian J. Quasar has investigated a broad range of mysterious subjects, from strange disappearances to serial murders, earning in that time the unique distinction of being likened to “the real life Kolchak.” However, he is much more at home with being called The Quester or Q Man. “He’s bloody eccentric, an historian with no qualifications who sticks his nose into affairs and gets results.” He is the author of several books, one of which inspired a Resolution in Congress.

The Pentagon and UFOs

Well, the Pentagon has come forward and admitted that they had been studying UFOs secretly once again. It had started in 2007. UFOlogists are declaring that disclosure is close, but this I truly doubt. UFOs remain UFOs, and until they can be identified no one will disclosed they are anything but UFOs.

Days before the announcement a researcher who wanted no public association with the topic, but one whose job does qualify him to understand photography and old prints, came forward and introduced me to the highest resolution copies available of the Elizabeth Klarer photos over South Africa in 1956. The details on these photos are startling.

This researcher came forward because of one of my blog post here in which I showed my own collation of saucer photos that clearly highlighted there was one repeating type of saucer that was photographed around the world between the 1950s and 1970s. The photos were so clear it was undeniable that it was the same disc.

Klarer saucer-high res

Klarer photo, near Drakensburg, South Africa, 1956.

This researcher had agreed with me– the saucer looks manmade. It is not a hoax miniature, hubcap or anything of the like. It is a full-sized saucer about 30 feet diameter. This saucer is made of two flattened cones– one in the other, with the outer cone revolving around the inner cone. There is a hole or sink in the top of the inner cone. This inner cone is not as flattened as the outer cone. A thick rim divides the two cones.


This type of saucer is not what Ken Arnold saw in 1947, however. Nor is it what was reported soon thereafter. Those were merely lentils, and not perfectly round ones either. The round saucer with the dome began to be seen in 1949, and no more than two were ever seen together. Its spinning outer disc (or cone) inspired the saucer in the great Harryhausen movie Earth vs the Flying Saucers. So it had made quite an impression.

Over Darmstadt, 1953


These two saucers are probably the two saucers filmed over Great Falls, Montana, 1950, by Nick Marianna. He said they were spinning. One was photo’d over Darmstadt, Germany, 1953; then Klarer took the photos over South Africa, 1956; then the saucer was drawn by an artist who had seen it on Vaucluse Beach, Australia, 1965; and it was later photo’d over Corsica, 1971. This type is probably what visiting members of a US Senate committee saw take off over Russia in 1955.

To see such a silvery disc flit through the sky is awe inspiring. I know of credible scientists who plunged into the world of the occult after they had seen one. Klarer went fledermaus scheiss afterward and imagined she had incubus in her.

The Vaucluse Beach drawing, 1965


But the photos and drawings that were preserved between 1950 and the 1970s tell us this is the genuine domed flying saucer. The detailed features, however, tell us it is for low atmospheric flight. This means manmade. But no one has ever fessed up to having made them, and either they have since crashed or are in a warehouse somewhere.

Once again, the descriptions of what Arnold saw, and what other pilots also reported, were lentils. They had no domes. They were actually not perfectly circular. The domed circular flying disc soon appeared and because of the clarity of the sightings and the photos it has inspired our popular concept of the flying saucer. The truth appears to be that the saucer as we have conceived it– round, domed– is manmade. But the search must go on to find out who made them. How were they powered? Was it using something like the Coanda Effect?


Corsica, February 1971.

Only when this saucer is plainly identified can its image be removed from the dossier of the odd and unusual that has been compiled about “flying saucers.” Then we can proceed to classify just exactly what is the true flying saucer. It is an arduous task because of all the folklore and kooks and opportunists out there, but the Pentagon admitting they were studying UFOs again brings rational attention to a subject matter that desperately needs it.

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Since 1990 Gian J. Quasar has investigated a broad range of mysterious subjects, from strange disappearances to serial murders, earning in that time the unique distinction of being likened to “the real life Kolchak.” However, he is much more at home with being called The Quester or Q Man. “He’s bloody eccentric, an historian with no qualifications who sticks his nose into affairs and gets results.” He is the author of several books, one of which inspired a Resolution in Congress.

So How Smart was The ZODIAC?

To Captain Marty Lee, SF’s chief of detectives on the case, Zodiac was some misplaced fat paperhanger with too much time on his hands. Vallejo’s Captain Wade Bird declared: “I think he’ll prove to be a genius who got so far out he went over the edge.” Roy Conway, one of Vallejo’s detectives, thought Zodiac a spontaneous thrill killer who got lucky. These are only a few opinions, but they represent the wide spectrum of opinions. In essence they confuse Zodiac’s perpetration of his crimes with his skillful game playing with the media. It is with the latter that the Zodiac Killer truly showed his shrewdness. But the perpetration of his crimes was actually quite clumsy.

Does this give us a chance, a hope at any rate, that SFPD is right: they have his fingerprints? Forensics lifted prints off the overhead handle bar in Stine’s cab and off the outside handle on the door. They were bloody prints, and this reinforced to SFPD that they had to be Zodiac’s. The 2 police officers quickly at the scene of Washington and Cherry insisted they secured the area and kept back people. Officially that remains the word with SFPD, but Napa and Vallejo weren’t so certain. Crime scene contamination happens. There’s always some weirdo around who wants to peak or some good citizen who leans in and thinks they can help.

Contemporary photo of witnesses' home across street

The witnesses looked out from these windows across the street to where they saw Zodiac in Stine’s parked taxi.

There were reasons why Vallejo and Napa had reservations.” The kids– the witnesses– clearly described the “cab killer” as wiping down the inside of the cab’s dash and then the outside. This indicates that Zodiac removed his prints. On the other hand, SFPD could rightly say this would be unnecessary if Zodiac had worn gloves. So, ultimately, it does appear as if Zodiac could have left those bloody fingerprints, and the couple they lifted are those he forgot to wipe away.

If Zodiac left fingerprints in Stine’s cab, he was truly clumsy. But it was a pointblank bloody affair, and I don’t think Zodiac was expecting the gore that had resulted. He had to act quickly, and in his rush he may have made a serious mistake.

Zodiac’s hood reveals how self indulgent he was– but this does not translate to excessive care at a crime scene


SF’s prints at least prove potentially to be a good piece of evidence to identify Zodiac or eliminate a person of interest. SFPD compared all of their POIs prints to these. Each one was eliminated, including Leigh Allen.

But . . . SFPD also checked handwriting with all their suspects. This reveals a tad of skepticism that those prints were Zodiac’s. Each of those whose handwriting was checked was also eliminated. This rings true with all the jurisdictions and their POIs. Zodiac may have been clumsy enough to have left prints behind, and bold enough to have repeatedly given the police his handwriting, but he made sure he was far outside of the dragnet. That reveals a certain amount of cleverness before he even started his crime spree, however clumsy the perpetration of his crimes.

Of more interest is Zodiac DNA. As careful as he might have been, he could not have foreseen the advent of forensic DNA science. At best, saliva from a licked stamp could reveal blood type, plus a couple of other things. A forensic examination of a sampling of stamps on the envelopes of Zodiac’s nasty missives lifted DNA.

We’ll look at this potential in our next post.

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Since 1990 Gian J. Quasar has investigated a broad range of mysterious subjects, from strange disappearances to serial murders, earning in that time the unique distinction of being likened to “the real life Kolchak.” However, he is much more at home with being called The Quester or Q Man. “He’s bloody eccentric, an historian with no qualifications who sticks his nose into affairs and gets results.” He is the author of several books, one of which inspired a Resolution in Congress.